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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.fenceportal.org/devolution-of-a-literary-correspondence/comment-page-1/#comment-2949</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francis &amp; ina, I agree, no need to submit here.  If this is how Fence treats the writers they accept, I&#039;d hate to see a rejection letter.  

Ms. Wolff, please calm down.  The only thing worse then your behavior is how proud you are to share it with the whole Internet.  If you&#039;re in the running for lamest looking person owning a keyboard, don&#039;t worry, that was a big head start.  

You&#039;ve just destroyed any desire I had to read, submit to, or have anything at all to do with Fence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francis &amp; ina, I agree, no need to submit here.  If this is how Fence treats the writers they accept, I&#8217;d hate to see a rejection letter.  </p>
<p>Ms. Wolff, please calm down.  The only thing worse then your behavior is how proud you are to share it with the whole Internet.  If you&#8217;re in the running for lamest looking person owning a keyboard, don&#8217;t worry, that was a big head start.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve just destroyed any desire I had to read, submit to, or have anything at all to do with Fence.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if i see your poems in the sluch pile at XXX review, your pedestrian stuff is getting red ink to fullest nasty extent.  if it&#039;s one think editorial assistants hate more than pain in the ass writers, it&#039;s ego trippy pain in the ass editors who provoke said writers.  

(but very nice classy photo by the way. nothing wrong at all with your looks.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if i see your poems in the sluch pile at XXX review, your pedestrian stuff is getting red ink to fullest nasty extent.  if it&#8217;s one think editorial assistants hate more than pain in the ass writers, it&#8217;s ego trippy pain in the ass editors who provoke said writers.  </p>
<p>(but very nice classy photo by the way. nothing wrong at all with your looks.)</p>
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		<title>By: ina</title>
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		<dc:creator>ina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so the moral is don&#039;t submit to fence?  or don&#039;t ask for a copy?  is this even a real exchange? it&#039;s not really that funny if it&#039;s fiction, and if it&#039;s real, only editor comes out looking like a moron.  editors have to stay on the good side of writers too, it doesn&#039;t just go one way, even if it seems like editors have all the control.  i used to intern at a lit mag, there is a lot of turnover for unprofessional editors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so the moral is don&#8217;t submit to fence?  or don&#8217;t ask for a copy?  is this even a real exchange? it&#8217;s not really that funny if it&#8217;s fiction, and if it&#8217;s real, only editor comes out looking like a moron.  editors have to stay on the good side of writers too, it doesn&#8217;t just go one way, even if it seems like editors have all the control.  i used to intern at a lit mag, there is a lot of turnover for unprofessional editors.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the whole ES&amp;D thing: C&#039;mon, Rebecca, if your whole gig is about challenge and idiosyncrasy and intelligence, do something challening and idiosyncratic and intelligent -- publish the infamous booby cover again with the words Eat Shit &amp; Die plastered across her boobliness.  (Do I get a free copy?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the whole ES&amp;D thing: C&#8217;mon, Rebecca, if your whole gig is about challenge and idiosyncrasy and intelligence, do something challening and idiosyncratic and intelligent &#8212; publish the infamous booby cover again with the words Eat Shit &amp; Die plastered across her boobliness.  (Do I get a free copy?)</p>
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		<title>By: Md</title>
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		<dc:creator>Md</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G.F. Sheppard, Jr, thank you for your polite and reasoned response. Why do I write? Why do any of us write? Because the words are there and they need to be written. For me, this is not just a hobby. I&#039;m a professional. If I write something for my own pleasure and I post it on my blog, of course, I don&#039;t expect any compensation, I&#039;m sharing it freely, and it IS enough for it to be out there in the world. If I go through the motions of submitting it to a professional publication, though, I expect it to be treated professionally, and no, in that case, the byline is not enough. 

The whole &quot;you&#039;re published, that should be enough, so just buy a copy and stop whining&quot; argument does not hold water for me. In this day and age, if being in print is all you want, if having your words read is the goal--you don&#039;t need Fence or any other literary magazine. You can put together your own little collection, have it published on cafepress or iUniverse, and sell it on Amazon right alongside the Random House books. If you want your words read, you can get a blog or a free website, market it well and garner millions of hits. 

If you&#039;re choosing to submit your work to a literary magazine, in the face of all that, it&#039;s for many reasons--to get published, yes, but also to earn a respectable credit, to put your work in front of other editors who might not read the blogs--to earn some street cred, if you will, in the sometimes snobby literary world, if you will. Don&#039;t forget that these magazines BUILD their reputations on the backs of the material they publish. One of their writers earns a Pushcart Prize nod? It reflects on the publication as well as the author. They benefit more than you do, at times. You&#039;re bartering your work. The copies you receive are not simply to &quot;show at cocktail parties&quot; (I don&#039;t know writers who actually do that), but to build your portfolio. 

Along with that, if you&#039;re submitting to literary magazines, you do expect a certain amount of professionalism. As I mentioned, I do not condone the way XXX flew off the handle, but I think the ball was in Ms WOlffe&#039;s court, and that if she had answered that first email clearly, the situation would not have escalated as it did. The writer&#039;s first emails to Ms Wolffe were professional and polite; she did not respond in kind. I will never submit to Fence again, because, after reading this exchange, I&#039;m not sure that the editors of this publication can be trusted to treat ANY contributor fairly and professionally. 

The best to you, GS--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G.F. Sheppard, Jr, thank you for your polite and reasoned response. Why do I write? Why do any of us write? Because the words are there and they need to be written. For me, this is not just a hobby. I&#8217;m a professional. If I write something for my own pleasure and I post it on my blog, of course, I don&#8217;t expect any compensation, I&#8217;m sharing it freely, and it IS enough for it to be out there in the world. If I go through the motions of submitting it to a professional publication, though, I expect it to be treated professionally, and no, in that case, the byline is not enough. </p>
<p>The whole &#8220;you&#8217;re published, that should be enough, so just buy a copy and stop whining&#8221; argument does not hold water for me. In this day and age, if being in print is all you want, if having your words read is the goal&#8211;you don&#8217;t need Fence or any other literary magazine. You can put together your own little collection, have it published on cafepress or iUniverse, and sell it on Amazon right alongside the Random House books. If you want your words read, you can get a blog or a free website, market it well and garner millions of hits. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re choosing to submit your work to a literary magazine, in the face of all that, it&#8217;s for many reasons&#8211;to get published, yes, but also to earn a respectable credit, to put your work in front of other editors who might not read the blogs&#8211;to earn some street cred, if you will, in the sometimes snobby literary world, if you will. Don&#8217;t forget that these magazines BUILD their reputations on the backs of the material they publish. One of their writers earns a Pushcart Prize nod? It reflects on the publication as well as the author. They benefit more than you do, at times. You&#8217;re bartering your work. The copies you receive are not simply to &#8220;show at cocktail parties&#8221; (I don&#8217;t know writers who actually do that), but to build your portfolio. </p>
<p>Along with that, if you&#8217;re submitting to literary magazines, you do expect a certain amount of professionalism. As I mentioned, I do not condone the way XXX flew off the handle, but I think the ball was in Ms WOlffe&#8217;s court, and that if she had answered that first email clearly, the situation would not have escalated as it did. The writer&#8217;s first emails to Ms Wolffe were professional and polite; she did not respond in kind. I will never submit to Fence again, because, after reading this exchange, I&#8217;m not sure that the editors of this publication can be trusted to treat ANY contributor fairly and professionally. </p>
<p>The best to you, GS&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: dune</title>
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		<dc:creator>dune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rebecca wolff, to my mind, seems to be turning into an awful human being. in this email exchange and in the editor&#039;s notes of recent fences, r. wolff sounds like someone who resents having to be involved with fence enterprises. 

also, i have loved fence mag in the past, but it seems to have been domesticated. bring back ben marcus plz!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rebecca wolff, to my mind, seems to be turning into an awful human being. in this email exchange and in the editor&#8217;s notes of recent fences, r. wolff sounds like someone who resents having to be involved with fence enterprises. </p>
<p>also, i have loved fence mag in the past, but it seems to have been domesticated. bring back ben marcus plz!</p>
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		<title>By: G.F. Sheppard, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.F. Sheppard, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Md, 
Thanks for your comment.  I dont remember writing that it was unreasonable that an author expected to receive a copy of the magazine.  I apologize for not being clear enough and thus allowing you to read into the statement I was making.  Sure, I agree with you.  If a copy of the magazine is promised in compensation, then one should be sent.  Simple.  But I will repeat what I wrote earlier: just chill out a bit.  That&#039;s all I was saying.  I have a small problem with authors that are obviously so good at writing that they have time to make personal attacks on people for a simple misunderstanding.   

I am also sorry that you believe that being published isn&#039;t enough.  That is unfortunate.  Call me old fashioned or an idealist, but I think a very important question to ask is:  Why are you writing?  Is it because you have something original to say?  Or, is it because you want your words/name in print?  Because you want compensation?

But, again, to unmuddy the waters of discourse, I totally agree that promises should be kept and compensation should be made; but, as a writer, XXXX should have known enough about life that shit happens all the time and that a little patience goes a long way.  

I hope this clears the issue up for you, Md.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Md,<br />
Thanks for your comment.  I dont remember writing that it was unreasonable that an author expected to receive a copy of the magazine.  I apologize for not being clear enough and thus allowing you to read into the statement I was making.  Sure, I agree with you.  If a copy of the magazine is promised in compensation, then one should be sent.  Simple.  But I will repeat what I wrote earlier: just chill out a bit.  That&#8217;s all I was saying.  I have a small problem with authors that are obviously so good at writing that they have time to make personal attacks on people for a simple misunderstanding.   </p>
<p>I am also sorry that you believe that being published isn&#8217;t enough.  That is unfortunate.  Call me old fashioned or an idealist, but I think a very important question to ask is:  Why are you writing?  Is it because you have something original to say?  Or, is it because you want your words/name in print?  Because you want compensation?</p>
<p>But, again, to unmuddy the waters of discourse, I totally agree that promises should be kept and compensation should be made; but, as a writer, XXXX should have known enough about life that shit happens all the time and that a little patience goes a long way.  </p>
<p>I hope this clears the issue up for you, Md.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I can&#039;t believe you still have a job.  I won&#039;t call your behavior juvenile because I have children who do not behave that way, ever.  

So you stressed out, the proper thing to do was not post the exchange on the internet, but write an apology. A sincere, groveling apology.  Clearly the writer had thought his copy would be at his parents and when it wasn&#039;t realized you had never given him a direct answer.  

And Don, if you want to see folks who feel entitled, look to the editor who felt entitled to behave this way, not the poet who was gracious and thanked the magazine and ASKED if they provided copies.  Stop sucking up and scratch this one off your list for submissions.  No one deserves to be treated this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I can&#8217;t believe you still have a job.  I won&#8217;t call your behavior juvenile because I have children who do not behave that way, ever.  </p>
<p>So you stressed out, the proper thing to do was not post the exchange on the internet, but write an apology. A sincere, groveling apology.  Clearly the writer had thought his copy would be at his parents and when it wasn&#8217;t realized you had never given him a direct answer.  </p>
<p>And Don, if you want to see folks who feel entitled, look to the editor who felt entitled to behave this way, not the poet who was gracious and thanked the magazine and ASKED if they provided copies.  Stop sucking up and scratch this one off your list for submissions.  No one deserves to be treated this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Manners</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Manners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I pity the poor poets of the world if this is the kind of behavior they have to endure to get themselves published.  I&#039;m astonished that you&#039;re proud enough of such a juvenile response to post it publicly -- I excused any of XXX&#039;s whining after that, and in fact I agreed with it.  

I&#039;m an editor, far from perfect, often impatient with overly needy writers, but this serves as a welcome reminder that, as NBC noted above, we are not gods.  We should be the grown-ups in the writer-editor relationship, not the mud-slingers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I pity the poor poets of the world if this is the kind of behavior they have to endure to get themselves published.  I&#8217;m astonished that you&#8217;re proud enough of such a juvenile response to post it publicly &#8212; I excused any of XXX&#8217;s whining after that, and in fact I agreed with it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m an editor, far from perfect, often impatient with overly needy writers, but this serves as a welcome reminder that, as NBC noted above, we are not gods.  We should be the grown-ups in the writer-editor relationship, not the mud-slingers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is atrocious!  I can&#039;t believe people behave like this.  The high school anecdote is classic-what a tool.  Nothing like feeling entitled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is atrocious!  I can&#8217;t believe people behave like this.  The high school anecdote is classic-what a tool.  Nothing like feeling entitled.</p>
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